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[diamondintherough]

-FILTERED AWAY FROM VAMPIRES + Tony Foster + Dr Hix-
When's something going to be done about the vampires, huh? One of them killed me not long ago, and more than just me by the sound of it. You keep saying they're taken care of, but nothing happened to him. I think he's gone now, alright? No punishment, no anything.

As ek wou sterf nie, sou ek bly in Afrika, huh? Ek wil nie hier bly nie. How about I go to dem moordenaar and get me some dem weapons, huh?

You hate vampires as much as I do? You let me know. We see if we can't get some oplossings. 'Results', huh?

Comments

Private

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

You're already contradicting your argument. Maybe you should rethink exactly what it is that you believe before you want to argue it. Humans are human strength. Vampires are not. I'm not saying humans aren't violent or don't do evil things, all right? All I'm saying is that vampires do them worse.

Don't really care about your personal philosophies in that respect, my man. I'm concerned with the lot of us, not just myself.

Re: Private

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

No, I'm conceding your point. Fine, humans have reasons, and you were there with...wasn't that Armand? I wasn't, so if you say he wasn't hungry, then fine, maybe he wasn't. But you can't really say he didn't have a reason.

Yeah, okay, they're stronger, but they're not the only ones here that are stronger than humans. What about Sylar? Or the other super powered types? And what will waging war on vampires do, anyway? Other than piss them off and give the ones not doing anything a reason to do something, I mean.

Private

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

Then what was his reason, huh? For attacking people he knew and people he didn't, killing with and without drinking?

Super powered types still don't need human blood to survive. Besides, if they threaten my life, I'll go after them same as any others.

I'm not waging a war. I'm asking why they aren't being punished and offering to do it myself if I have to. They are a threat just be existing and I hope to exterminate them.

Private

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

I don't know. I'm not in his head, but I'm sure he had reasons. Crappy ones, but there's one guy here who likes playing with brains for funsies, so creepy, crappy reasons abound. I mean, yeah, Armand was the one vampire ever to kinda creep me out when he was drinking me, and I'd be fine with it if you were calling for revenge on him. Pointless since he's gone, but he might come back, and I get you having an issue with him.

With the super powered types, would you go after all wizards if one wizard hurt you? Or would you just go after the one who actually did something?

If a vampire does something, I'm all for punishing them, but it's that last part that bugs me. For one thing, you can't exterminate vampires, since they just come back here, same as you, so it would be endless revenge, and revenge for revenge, and revenge for revenge for revenge. And they aren't a threat just by existing, because most don't have the slightest desire to kill you. A lot are perfectly happy drinking the bottled blood.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

What's the man's name, huh? I bet he has a reason. I'm not about revenge. I'm about survival. The sooner you learn that, the sooner you'll begin to understand my side.

That depends on whether or not the wizards need human blood to survive.

I'm not talking about killing them. Extermination means getting rid of them permanently. I'm a patient man and I'm not stupid. The magic blood will go away, when they leave or at random here. Then we're expected to suffer for them.

Re: Filtered to Tony & Han

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

Sylar. I'm sure he does, too. My point is that creepy killers that are hard to predict don't just come in the vampire variety.

Wizards don't need human blood, but your earlier point was that vampires are stronger and more dangerous than a plain old human serial killer. If a wizard wanted to kill you, we could be in your room and you wouldn't even see us. So...kind of an advantage there.

I'm about survival, too, but I don't care about the vampires. You know why? It's because the vampire inmates haven't been killing any more than the human ones, so what's the point in being more afraid of them? Besides, even ones who like it from the vein are usually happy with willing donors.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

You're wrong, my man. Killers are easy to predict when they're human.

It's the combination. Humans need to kill humans, but they're equal level. Wizards and the powered ones are stronger. Vampires need to kill humans and they're stronger. Makes it worse.

You can have whatever philosophy you want. Doesn't change the situation or my mind of it.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

...humans don't need to kill humans any more than wizards do. And vampires are just as predictable as humans. So...I don't really get your reasoning.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

Vampires are not as predictable, they're stronger than humans, and they survive by our blood. If you still don't understand that, I'm done arguing. You're not listening and I don't like wasting time.

Re: Filtered to Tony & Han

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

Vampires are pretty damn predictable. I mean, maybe it's just 'cause I lived with one for a few years back home? But if anything, they're more predictable. I understand the other two points, but when they've got blood that's handed to them and people who like being bitten, they're way less likely to care about you.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

That's like saying when someone's feeding them money and some women don't mind being raped, they're not all bad. I'm a bit skeptical of that, huh?

Re: Filtered to Tony & Han

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

Yeah, except it being absolutely nothing like that. It's more like saying someone isn't all bad when you don't starve them as long as they get laid once in a while (since last time I checked, when both parties want it just as much as each other? It's getting laid, not rape), and that...actually is most people.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

You're still missing the part where they need to feed on blood to survive.

Re: Filtered to Tony & Han

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

No I'm not. When they feed on you...it's like sex. And if you want it, it isn't like rape at all. It's like condemning everyone who isn't a virgin just because rape is bad. Some vampires feed exclusively from willing donors, and believe me, they are out there.

Re: Filtered to Tony & Han

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

I've had sex since I've been here and I've been fed on. They're nowhere near the same thing. You're not willing to listen, huh? Then neither am I.

Bugger off.

Re: Filtered to Tony & Han

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

I've done both? And they're so close it's not even funny.

Whatever.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

Maybe if you're into that kind of thing. I was never into masochism.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

But that's my point. If they only go after the ones who like extra piercings after sex and leave you alone, then...what's the issue? And some do, even if Armand doesn't.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

Now you're telling me to judge them all based on the way a few are, huh?

Re: Filtered to Tony & Han

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

Either you're not listening...no, you're just not listening.

I'm saying don't assume that vampires won't do that. If a vampire feeds on someone who's unwilling? Go ahead. Demand something be done about that vampire. But if there is a vampire that only goes after willing donors, back off. That simple.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

If I meet one of those, maybe I won't judge them, alright? But I'm not going to stop judging them in general based on the few supposed exceptions. That's like assuming all men are good, innocent, and honest people just because a few might be.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

No, it's more like deciding not to exterminate people en masse because some of them might be decent.

Filtered to Tony & Han

[diamondtherough.livejournal.com]

Fine, fine. I'll get to know each vampire before I exterminate them.

Filtered to Tony & Han - Not what he was hoping for, but he'll drop it for now

[tadwizard.livejournal.com]

Lovely.